Daboll is one of the more cowardly coaches in the league, routinely taking the 3 points until desperation time. Not going for it on 4th and goal on the 3 yard line down 5 in the second half was near Ken Whisenpunt levels of cowardice. Somehow he continues to get a free pass, but I think his time is coming sooner rather than later.
I'm just not impressed with him as a coach. He seems to be an asshole based on the little I've seen of Hard Knocks and how he carries himself on the sidelines, and I would imagine that he is someone that doesn't have a grasp of the locker room. I recall how he undressed Tyrod on the sidelines after he mismanaged the timeouts against the Bills on primetime last year.
not gonna defend Daboll generally -- not sure if he's any good, but I see the case for the FG there. The Giants could not run the ball to save their lives. 4th-and-goal at the 3 with no threat of run and Dimes having zero feel once the pressure was applied was tough. FG in that spot with Mahomes or even Jayden Daniels, I would agree it was cowardice. But I personally had no faith in them converting there either. And you saw them fail in desperation too.
I'm surprised you feel that way. That is very unlike you.
A) the 3 points doesn't give you the lead.
B) Even if you don't score the touchdown when going for it, the Cowboys are buried in their own territory in a game where neither team was consistently moving the ball.
C) By scoring the 3, you now instead give the Cowboys solid field position from the kickoff which is even more the case now with the inane new rules of said kickoff.
D) It's even more dangerous to give the field position bailout to a team like the Cowboys with Aubrey, who can easily get the 3 points back barely crossing the fifty yard line (which is exactly what happened).
We can argue the metric junkies stuff which typically i agree with you on, but this is one of those obvious math plays where the decision is just so lopsidedly one way, irrespective of personnel and game flow. I don't care if Jones isn't good or the running game is iffy. You have Nabers who is awesome and Wandale is meant to get 3 yards on key downs. Even that doesn't matter. There's just no room for cowardice there.
I predict that you will be calling for Daboll's head at some point this season.
I might, but my subjective feeling was they weren't gonna make it, either. Wasn't mad about the FG. And the generic math applies to decks of cards and coin flips much more than NFL games. Not saying it was better, only that I totally understood the decision, didn't think it was insane.
Liss, as a fellow Giants fan, I think I watched a different game than you. Jones was really bad. He under threw or overthrew his receivers all game. There was the Nabers 39 yarder that could have been 6 if he lead him. He missed Slayton on the sideline that could have been 6 as well just to name a couple. His accuracy was bad last night.
thought on the wide open Nabers play he underthrew it on purpose to make sure he got it -- don't want to be perfect and miss the guy when it's a guaranteed big gain. Don't remember the Slayton miss, but he did zip a couple into Nabers/Robinson I thought were good. My issue with him is he never seems to make things happen on the move -- neither running, nor throwing, nor buying time in the pocket.
Daboll is one of the more cowardly coaches in the league, routinely taking the 3 points until desperation time. Not going for it on 4th and goal on the 3 yard line down 5 in the second half was near Ken Whisenpunt levels of cowardice. Somehow he continues to get a free pass, but I think his time is coming sooner rather than later.
I'm just not impressed with him as a coach. He seems to be an asshole based on the little I've seen of Hard Knocks and how he carries himself on the sidelines, and I would imagine that he is someone that doesn't have a grasp of the locker room. I recall how he undressed Tyrod on the sidelines after he mismanaged the timeouts against the Bills on primetime last year.
not gonna defend Daboll generally -- not sure if he's any good, but I see the case for the FG there. The Giants could not run the ball to save their lives. 4th-and-goal at the 3 with no threat of run and Dimes having zero feel once the pressure was applied was tough. FG in that spot with Mahomes or even Jayden Daniels, I would agree it was cowardice. But I personally had no faith in them converting there either. And you saw them fail in desperation too.
I'm surprised you feel that way. That is very unlike you.
A) the 3 points doesn't give you the lead.
B) Even if you don't score the touchdown when going for it, the Cowboys are buried in their own territory in a game where neither team was consistently moving the ball.
C) By scoring the 3, you now instead give the Cowboys solid field position from the kickoff which is even more the case now with the inane new rules of said kickoff.
D) It's even more dangerous to give the field position bailout to a team like the Cowboys with Aubrey, who can easily get the 3 points back barely crossing the fifty yard line (which is exactly what happened).
We can argue the metric junkies stuff which typically i agree with you on, but this is one of those obvious math plays where the decision is just so lopsidedly one way, irrespective of personnel and game flow. I don't care if Jones isn't good or the running game is iffy. You have Nabers who is awesome and Wandale is meant to get 3 yards on key downs. Even that doesn't matter. There's just no room for cowardice there.
I predict that you will be calling for Daboll's head at some point this season.
I might, but my subjective feeling was they weren't gonna make it, either. Wasn't mad about the FG. And the generic math applies to decks of cards and coin flips much more than NFL games. Not saying it was better, only that I totally understood the decision, didn't think it was insane.
Liss, as a fellow Giants fan, I think I watched a different game than you. Jones was really bad. He under threw or overthrew his receivers all game. There was the Nabers 39 yarder that could have been 6 if he lead him. He missed Slayton on the sideline that could have been 6 as well just to name a couple. His accuracy was bad last night.
thought on the wide open Nabers play he underthrew it on purpose to make sure he got it -- don't want to be perfect and miss the guy when it's a guaranteed big gain. Don't remember the Slayton miss, but he did zip a couple into Nabers/Robinson I thought were good. My issue with him is he never seems to make things happen on the move -- neither running, nor throwing, nor buying time in the pocket.